- Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:37 am
#14792
yep! and thanks 
! nice work!
(i have added myself to the group )
! nice work!(i have added myself to the group
)
WHOOOT
- Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:48 am
#15350
Nice Model.
But when working with a tool like Altium why not putting the Components direct on the PCB? (Altium = mass production)
Can a normal pick and place machine handle esp-12 modules? Where are the pros and cons?
But when working with a tool like Altium why not putting the Components direct on the PCB? (Altium = mass production)
Can a normal pick and place machine handle esp-12 modules? Where are the pros and cons?
- Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:35 am
#15377
Hey SpenZerX,
I use Altium also for all my really small quantity PCB's (below 10 pieces). What do you mean by placing the chips directly on the PCB? design an antenna and the whole thing yourself? ( this has a couple of disadvantages: Higher BOM, more parts to pick and place, bad reference designs) so its easier to just place a ESP-12E on your board unless you're doing +1000-10000 PCB's. I haven't seen them being placed by a pick and place machine. they don't come in reels, maybe if you use trays you can use pick and place.
like this:
Kind regards,
Koelie2
I use Altium also for all my really small quantity PCB's (below 10 pieces). What do you mean by placing the chips directly on the PCB? design an antenna and the whole thing yourself? ( this has a couple of disadvantages: Higher BOM, more parts to pick and place, bad reference designs) so its easier to just place a ESP-12E on your board unless you're doing +1000-10000 PCB's. I haven't seen them being placed by a pick and place machine. they don't come in reels, maybe if you use trays you can use pick and place.
like this:
Kind regards,
Koelie2
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WHOOOT
- Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:06 am
#15382
Hello Koelie2,
i am doing it like you. Placing ESP-12 on my PCB.
But why not converting the schematic of an ESP 12 (reference design?) in an Altium schematic document.
Replace small parts by bigger parts that can be handled by standard pick and place equipment.
Generate an Altium-PCB design similar to the ESP-12 of this reference design that can later be copied to the projects.
Finally in projects replace ESP-12 PCB from prototype design by this new design (Place parts direct on PCB).
I don't think the antenna is the problem. May be certification requirements? Size of components?
Iam no expert. May be placing ESP-12 PCB is cheaper also in low quantities < 10000.
i am doing it like you. Placing ESP-12 on my PCB.
But why not converting the schematic of an ESP 12 (reference design?) in an Altium schematic document.
Replace small parts by bigger parts that can be handled by standard pick and place equipment.
Generate an Altium-PCB design similar to the ESP-12 of this reference design that can later be copied to the projects.
Finally in projects replace ESP-12 PCB from prototype design by this new design (Place parts direct on PCB).
I don't think the antenna is the problem. May be certification requirements? Size of components?
Iam no expert. May be placing ESP-12 PCB is cheaper also in low quantities < 10000.
