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By GeorgeIoak
#21975 [quote="Squonk
This is total bullshit, TI support is non-existant, the CC3000 is a security and stability fiasco, see this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=30&10
In particular, follow the link on TI's forum regarding the easy connect feature, this wil make your day!

One point on which I agree with you is the quality of TI's documentation, though.[/quote]

I have not used the CC3000 other than some simple quick tests so I cannot speak to the functionality of that part or series. In general my experience with TI has been rather good. They are not a company that focuses on DIY so I don't expect them to hand hold anyone who purchases a few of their parts. If you buy in volume you should be purchasing from a Distributor and through that distributor you would get support from their FAEs as well as inside contact to TI's engineers. Their e2e forums are also heavily visited by TI's engineers.

For me, the documentation issue is a real red flag warning. It's one thing to copy/use a design and sell to others and it's another to develop and manufacture a product. There are many posts on these forums with some basic questions about the functionality of the ESP8266 that should be answered with a proper datasheet.

Don't get me wrong, I like the part and I support it but that's far different than me producing a product based on it and releasing it in a commercial environment. Your experience with the CC3200 might be the exception to TI's support. It hasn't been that long since they purchased ChipCon and they were the ones that designed that series. I've used processors, regulators, audio DACs, and many other parts from TI over the years. I've always been able to get support, maybe not always as fast as I would have liked but I've never been ignored.

My experience may be different than others but I at least try to provide first hand information. The OP just asked for our opinions and what we would do and I did. I'm curious though, @martinayotte, @Squonk, ignoring whether this is TI vs Espressif, would you build and release a commercial product based on the ESP8266 modules?
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By kenn
#22013 I've had the same question, and I do have a Spark - sorry a Particle - Core (CC3000) and am expecting the Photon any day now.

I initially thought the ESP8266 was kind of a novelty but at the price, who could resist, so I bought a few last fall and have been playing along as development progressed. I have to say... I'm less skeptical now about the ESP8266. If you are realistic about its capabilities and design within them... I think it's commercial-grade. I've had simple sensor-type apps running on an ESP-01 for days and days, without a reset or crash. I would consider it for a low-run commercial product, and depending on availability and further maturing, it could find a place in more critical and high-volume uses.

Bear in mind that IoT wifi should be treated like a commodity - whatever functionality you develop commercially should run on ANY of the current or future IoT-ready devices, so that whatever the future, your application can switch to a different part with little hassle. Change is a constant...
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By GeorgeIoak
#22060 We haven't touched on it but the distribution model of the ESP8266 and modules is somewhat unknown, at least it is to me. The design of the ESP-12 module I did a tear down on didn't leave me with an overly impressed feeling. For me if I was to pursue a commercial product I would strongly consider building my product and designing the ESP8266 chip in rather than rely on the produced modules. They claim to be FCC certified but the last time I checked you could not search for them in the database which seemed rather odd to me. For most commercial products you would need to have your product certified so losing the potential FCC license of the module is not the worst thing that could happen. Of course getting certified based on something that already has certification makes the process easier
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By martinayotte
#22156 The Kickstarter campaign for OAK from Digistump (which is using ESP8266) mentionned that their modules will be FCC/CE approved. Since their original goal was $25,000 (they reached $182,000), I presume that their certifications cost won't be too expensive.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/di ... escription

But, personally, for the about the same cost, I prefer Squonk's Domino IO design (I'm waiting for my parcel ;) )
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/70 ... escription